Als je een soevereine heerschappij nastreeft zou het een hard gelag zijn als de V.S. dat eindelijk weet te bewerkstelligen en ineens vreemde mogendheden from outerspace te maken krijgt.

Ach, als Europa binnenkort tot een van de vele staten verwordt die Amerika rijk is is een volgend target zeer gewenst.Per slot van rekening moet je altijd iets te wensen over houden.

Het is weggegooid geld om de eenvoudige reden dat aardbewoners nooit andere planeten zullen bereiken die vergelijkbaar zijn met de aarde. Afgeleide producten uit de ruimtevaart zijn prima. Mocht er echter een aardige planeet gevonden worden dan lijkt mij dat een goede stek voor politiek links volk zoals de SA die gisteren voor het Apollo-hotel stond te ageren tegen Edelheit en weer eiste dat de democratie opzij gezet zou worden en dus openlijk pleitte voor een totalitaire staat waarin moord en doodslag aan de orde van de dag is.

De afstanden tussen de levensvatbare planeten zijn waarschijnlijk bewust door het Opperwezen (de Schepper van het heelal) dermate groot gehouden dat onderlinge contacten al bij voorbaat onmogelijk zijn.

De cultuurschok die namelijk zou optreden zou dermate groot zijn dat één van de 2 beschavingen volledig ten onder zou gaan.
Kijk in dit verband naar de Inca-beschaving bij het contact met de Spanjaarden en wat is de Indianen overkomen bij de trek naar het ‘Wilde Westen’ door Europese immigranten?
En wat zouden de gevolgen zijn voor de wereldreligies mochten er toch contacten plaatsvinden met bewoners van andere planeten?
Religie is waarschijnlijk een plaatselijk fenomeen van een onderontwikkelde beschaving op mentaal en moreel niveau.

Er is ook een interessante theorie die zou inhouden dat er zich ergens een anti-wereld zou bevinden (i.v.m. de anti-materie theorie) waarin ook onze aarde zou bestaan met dezelfde creaturen die momenteel onze aardkloot bevolken.
Stelt u zich dat voor; 2 Balkenende’s; 2 Bossen, 2 Wildersen en niet te vergeten een blauwdruk van u zelf die ‘ergens’ rondscharrelt.

Aardige hersenspinsels voor een regenachtige dag als vandaag maar de realiteit is helaas van een andere orde.
Geen marsmannetjes die ons bedreigen maar Muzelmannen met een agenda die minder aangenaam is voor de argeloze autochtoon.

Bij escalatie kan men echter emigreren naar de Waddeneilanden en in de toekomst – wie weet? – naar de Maan.

Andersom kan natuurlijk ook; dat wij allang “ontdekt” zijn door een andere beschaving. Een Amerikaanse sf-schrijver heeft in dat verband eens opgemerkt: “If the cosmic telephone rings, don’t answer the call.”

Zag laatst dat er ook op de aarde lijkende planeten zijn die elliptische banen om hun zon draaien; dit geeft de winterslaap weer een heel nieuwe dimensie net als a man for all seasons….

Percolator, re: ‘vreemde schepsels’, u bedoelt toch niet onze hoofdredacteur?

Ja maar waneer komt god weer voor in het verhaal?
Want zonder de grote schepper mag ik het niet geloven.

Ik las laatst een aardige visie op SETI en buitenaards leven van Ray Kurzweil,

Onderaan;
http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1

Why SETI Will Fail (and why we are alone in the Universe)

The law of accelerating returns implies that by 2099, the intelligence that will have emerged from human-machine civilization will be trillions of trillions of times more powerful than it is today, dominated of course by its nonbiological form.

So what does this have to do with SETI (the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)? The naïve view, going back to pre-Copernican days, was that the Earth was at the center of the Universe, and human intelligence its greatest gift (next to God). The more informed recent view is that even if the likelihood of a star having a planet with a technology creating species is very low (e.g., one in a million), there are so many stars (i.e., billions of trillions of them), that there are bound to be many with advanced technology.

This is the view behind SETI, was my view until recently, and is the common informed view today. Although SETI has not yet looked everywhere, it has already covered a substantial portion of the Universe.

Chart by Scientific American

In the above diagram (courtesy of Scientific American), we can see that SETI has already thoroughly searched all star systems within 107 light-years from Earth for alien civilizations capable (and willing) to transmit at a power of at least 1025 watts, a so-called Type II civilization (and all star systems within 106 light-years for transmission of at least 1018 watts, and so on). No sign of intelligence has been found as of yet.

In a recent email to my research assistant, Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI Institute points out that a new comprehensive targeted search, called Project Phoenix, which has up to 100 times the sensitivity and covers a greater range of the radio dial as compared to previous searches, has only been applied thus far to 500 star systems, which is, of course only a minute fraction of the half trillion star systems in just our own galaxy.

However, according to my model, once a civilization achieves our own level (”Earth-level”) of radio transmission, it takes no more than one century, two at the most, to achieve what SETI calls a Type II civilization. If the assumption that there are at least millions of radio capable civilizations out there, and that these civilizations are spread out over millions (indeed billions) of years of development, then surely there ought to be millions that have achieved Type II status.

Incidentally, this is not an argument against the SETI project, which in my view should have the highest possible priority because the negative finding is no less significant than a positive result.

It is odd that we find the cosmos so silent. Where is everybody? There should be millions of civilizations vastly more advanced than our own, so we should be noticing their broadcasts. A sufficiently advanced civilization would not be likely to restrict its broadcasts to subtle signals on obscure frequencies. Why are they so silent, and so shy?

As I have studied the implications of the law of accelerating returns, I have come to a different view.

Because exponential growth is so explosive, it is the case that once a species develops computing technology, it is only a matter of a couple of centuries before the nonbiological form of their intelligence explodes. It permeates virtually all matter in their vicinity, and then inevitably expands outward close to the maximum speed that information can travel. Once the nonbiological intelligence emerging from that species’ technology has saturated its vicinity (and the nature of this saturation is another complex issue, which I won’t deal with in this essay), it has no other way to continue to evolve but to expand outwardly. The expansion does not start out at the maximum speed, but quickly achieves a speed within a vanishingly small delta from the maximum speed.

What is the maximum speed? We currently understand this to be the speed of light, but there are already tantalizing hints that this may not be an absolute limit. There were recent experiments that measured the flight time of photons at nearly twice the speed of light, a result of quantum uncertainty on their position. However, this result is actually not useful for this analysis, because it does not actually allow information to be communicated at faster than the speed of light, and we are fundamentally interested in communication speed.

Quantum disentanglement has been measured at many times the speed of light, but this is only communicating randomness (profound quantum randomness) at speeds far greater than the speed of light; again, this is not communication of information (but is of great interest for restoring encryption, after quantum computing destroys it). There is the potential for worm holes (or folds of the Universe in dimensions beyond the three visible ones), but this is not really traveling at faster than the speed of light, it just means that the topology of the Universe is not the simple three dimensional space that naïve physics implies. But we already knew that. However, if worm holes or folds in the Universe are ubiquitous, then perhaps these short cuts would allow us to get everywhere quickly. Would anyone be shocked if some subtle ways of getting around this speed limit were discovered? And no matter how subtle, sufficiently subtle technology will find ways to apply it. The point is that if there are ways around this limit (or any other currently understood limit), then the extraordinary levels of intelligence that our human-machine civilization will achieve will find those ways and exploit them.

So for now, we can say that ultra high levels of intelligence will expand outward at the speed of light, but recognize that this may not be the actual limit of the speed of expansion, or even if the limit is the speed of light that this limit may not restrict reaching other locations quickly.

Consider that the time spans for biological evolution are measured in millions and billions of years, so if there are other civilizations out there, they would be spread out by huge spans of time. If there are a lot of them, as contemporary thinking implies, then it would be very unlikely that at least some of them would not be ahead of us. That at least is the SETI assumption. And if they are ahead of us, they likely would be ahead of us by huge spans of time. The likelihood that any civilization that is ahead of us is ahead of us by only a few decades is extremely small.

If the SETI assumption that there are many (e.g., millions) of technological (at least radio capable) civilizations is correct, then at least some of them (i.e., millions of them) would be way ahead of us. But it takes only a few centuries at most from the advent of computation for that civilization to expand outward at at least light speed. Given this, how can it be that we have not noticed them?

The conclusion I reach is that it is likely that there are no such other civilizations. In other words, we are in the lead. That’s right, our humble civilization with its Dodge pick up trucks, fried chicken fast food, and ethnic cleansings (and computation!) is in the lead.

Now how can that be? Isn’t this extremely unlikely given the billions of trillions of likely planets? Indeed it is very unlikely. But equally unlikely is the existence of our Universe with a set of laws of physics so exquisitely precisely what is needed for the evolution of life to be possible. But by the Anthropic principle, if the Universe didn’t allow the evolution of life we wouldn’t be here to notice it. Yet here we are. So by the same Anthropic principle, we’re here in the lead in the Universe. Again, if we weren’t here, we would not be noticing it.

Let’s consider some arguments against this perspective.

Perhaps there are extremely advanced technological civilizations out there, but we are outside their light sphere of intelligence. That is, they haven’t gotten here yet. Okay, in this case, SETI will still fail because we won’t be able to see (or hear) them, at least not before we reach Singularity.

Perhaps they are amongst us, but have decided to remain invisible to us. Incidentally, I have always considered the science fiction notion of large space ships with large squishy creatures similar to us to be very unlikely. Any civilization sophisticated enough to make the trip here would have long since passed the point of merging with their technology and would not need to send such physically bulky organisms and equipment. Such a civilization would not have any unmet material needs that require it to steal physical resources from us. They would be here for observation only, to gather knowledge, which is the only resource of value to such a civilization. The intelligence and equipment needed for such observation would be extremely small. In this case, SETI will still fail because if this civilization decided that it did not want us to notice it, then it would succeed in that desire. Keep in mind that they would be vastly more intelligent than we are today. Perhaps they will reveal themselves to us when we achieve the next level of our evolution, specifically merging our biological brains with our technology, which is to say, after the Singularity. Moreover, given that the SETI assumption implies that there are millions of such highly developed civilizations, it seems odd that all of them have made the same decision to stay out of our way.

Als ze een planeet vinden met intelligent leven hoop ik toch dat ze veel verder zijn dan wij, ik moet er niet aan denken dat we ook nog honderden miljarden ontwikkelingshulp moeten ophoesten voor hen.

wiskundige formules zijn zelf buitenaardse uitvindingen.

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Bij mijn laatste bezoek aan een Waddeneiland zag ik daar toch echt negers. Dus dat emigreren, of eigenlijk vluchten, heeft geen zin.

Zodra er buitenaards leven ontdekt word zal er groots moeten worden geïnvesteerd in technologisch hoogwaardige ruimte defensie.
De natuurkundige wetten zijn overal in het heelal hetzelfde en de evolutie daar zal onherroepelijk lijken op de onze. Als iets in staat is de afstand te overbruggen dan lijken ze op ons. Jagers, landbouwers en veetelers.
Ik hoop dat ik heel vies smaak.

@jip gulzen

Dat op de Waddeneilanden negers zijn gesignaleerd is geen probleem wat mij betreft.
Echter minaretten, hoofddoeken en burka’s zouden daar geweerd moeten worden.

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